8KAB vs 8GCBC

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Looking for Instructors opinions...I currently have a 8KCAB with about 150 total maybe a little higher total time in the 8KCAB and 80 in the past 12 months. I have 1300 total time IFR rated and 250 tail wheel time.

I just bought a 8GCBC same year...Both 1996 and my insurance company says i need 2 hours dual time with an instructor that has 500 hours total time and 100 hours tail time and 25 hours in Make and Model to sign me off.
I asked if the 150 hours time in the 8KCAB counts and they can't give me a decision and tell me that it is better to get the sign off....While i get that people are going to have opinions...and that is great i am going for facts.
 
I have about 700 hours in Champs, Citabrias, Decathlons, and 7GCBCs. I wanted to help Goodyear get his 8GCBC home, but his insurer just said no.

I have over 6000 tailwheel hours, and have been insured in Wacos and huge Stinsons with zero time in them, but that's not good enough for some underwriters. You might try Avemco.
 
CaptCaveman said:
Looking for Instructors opinions...I currently have a 8KCAB with about 150 total maybe a little higher total time in the 8KCAB and 80 in the past 12 months. I have 1300 total time IFR rated and 250 tail wheel time.

I just bought a 8GCBC same year...Both 1996 and my insurance company says i need 2 hours dual time with an instructor that has 500 hours total time and 100 hours tail time and 25 hours in Make and Model to sign me off.
I asked if the 150 hours time in the 8KCAB counts and they can't give me a decision and tell me that it is better to get the sign off....While i get that people are going to have opinions...and that is great i am going for facts.
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Yes, it is a pain in the ass. I had a similar problem. At time of purchase I had 300 hours tailwheel! With 100 in a 7gcaa. The biggest problem was finding a CFI with 25 hours in the 8gcbc. They exist, easy in Alaska and Idaho. Larry here in San Diego is a CFI with Scout hours. The ACA factory doesn’t even have one. I had to have my Scout delivered to Idaho and fly up to Boise to find a qualified instructor. Turned out OK because he was an old bush hand and we spent 3 days introducing me to the backcountry. Good luck-make an adventure out of it.
 
Do you know anyone local to you with a Scout and qualified CFI? Do your 2 hours at home and go pick up the plane.
 
Just for my information what does the insurance company signoff even look like? I needed one hour dual in my L-16 and got 2 hours dual logged because we were having fun but it's not like a tail wheel endorsement in the back of your log... Is it some variation on "I have given training in this model and declare that this pilot is fully proficient?"
 
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Just for my information what does the insurance company signoff even look like? I needed one hour dual in my L-16 and got 2 hours dual logged because we were having fun but it's not like a tail wheel endorsement in the back of your log... Is it some variation on "I have given training in this model and declare that this pilot is fully proficient?"
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I have done a lot of training for insurance requirments. There is no "endorsement". I just log the training and what we did. No additional verbage for the insurance company.
 
Makes sense Ron - My CFI basically said the same. When I was a student I recall needing a 90-day solo endorsement for each type I soloed (150, J3, PA-18) but that must be part of the solo endorsement.
 
The feds are different. Their endorsements are strictly canned - you get the advisory circular and copy them perfectly. Omit so much as a comma, and some DPEs will make you do it again.

Unless an insurer specifically asks for an endorsement, all you need is time logged with a CFI signature.
 
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