Cockpit Flood Light yes/no ??

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Who guessed I'm trying to finish up my electrical and panel work? Who loves their Grimes light? Who doesn't? Is it required equipment? Anyone know if they are still putting them in new airplanes?

I like them and find the light adequate for illuminating the instrument panel and it's handy when you need some spot lighting in the cabin (cockpit?). Try finding one in good condition though!

Opinions?
 
I am using a Sporty’s red/white LED flashlight, held to the overhead with one of those RAM claws. On the other hand, my night single engine flying is quite restricted now. Older, not bolder . . .
 
Thanks Bob. My Citabria has a Grimes light and I like having it there but I'll have to ask the factory if it's actually required. I don't think they're installing them in new airplanes but they must be doing something since the planes are probably still day/night VFR at the very least.

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I did not like my Grimes at first, but now that I am getting experience adjusting it properly, I like it more. I would probably install it.

I fly night XC about once a month. In my opinion the key to safe night VFR flying is getting the ambient light inside the cockpit down to the absolute bare minimum necessary to see required indications, which to me are airspeed, altitude and nothing else. That minimizes glare on the inside of the windscreen and allows your night vision to sharpen, so you can see every detail outside the aircraft. Only red, NEVER white light. Lessons I learned in the military.

The Grimes can be set to red or white, dimmed or brightened as needed, pointed where you need it, and will stay where pointed. The dimming switch is very precise, so you can fine tune the intensity. Most importantly, it is wired to ships power, so battery life or state of charge is never a concern.

The major weakness of the Grimes is incandescent bulbs instead of LED. Really surprises me that there are no good certified LED options out there. I considered putting an LED bulb in my Grimes, but am concerned the dimming would not be as precise.

Back in the old days, when we flew with paper charts, a Grimes or something like it would be essential. Nowadays with glass panels and iPads, not really sure what you would need to illuminate.

I am considering installing post lights on a dimmer for my airspeed and altitude. If I do that, the Grimes is probably redundant, but I'll still keep it just in case needed for troubleshooting.

From a legal perspective, my AFM lists the cockpit light as "standard" instead of required.

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nice photo Ed! have you seen how expensive Grimes post lights are? 😲😲😲

it is going to have to be ebay I'm afraid. i agree it's surprising that there isn't a modern LED equivalent available for certified airplanes.
 
That is my first night XC in my Super D, headed across Oklahoma City to land at Wiley Post/PWA. Was not a planned night fight, but I am chronically late for everything, so a late afternoon flight turned into 2 hours of night flight across Arkansas and Oklahoma.

I laugh when I see cockpits lit up like a Class B runway. I suppose for IFR that makes sense, but for VFR it is so much better when the cockpit is as dark as possible
 
If used as "secondary lighting" in the cockpit you can use these with a logbook entry (unless your IA has a problem). I've installed these as grimes primary replacements in two Cessna's, a Navion and a AT50 Bamboo Bomber without any static from anyone...LED's are much more reliable than old lights. Safety you know...😷
They're voltage dimmable and come in white, red and switchable red/white. I favor the Red/White combo with a mini switch attached to individual lights.

Chris
 
Rather silly that we have to play these games with the FAA. But what criteria differentiates primary from secondary lighting?
 
You keep your "operational" stock lighting. You don't have to use it but it needs to be there...
Kind of like having to keep an old CHT gauge when installing a non-primary engine monitor. Silly and useless but required...
 
CHT is required?
I agree - if lighting is safe enough for an experimental aircraft (which, after all, is something we could hit if we don't see it) then it ought to be good enough for the rest of us. Ditto IFR instruments. Having an experimental on an IFR flight plan poses exactly the same threat as a certificated aircraft.
Opinion.
 
CHT is required?
I agree - if lighting is safe enough for an experimental aircraft (which, after all, is something we could hit if we don't see it) then it ought to be good enough for the rest of us. Ditto IFR instruments. Having an experimental on an IFR flight plan poses exactly the same threat as a certificated aircraft.
Opinion.
Yes, on many aircraft CHT is a requirement. My Viking for instance. All Bo's with cowl flaps, etc.
To install a full featured JPI 700 I had to keep both the original fuel flow and the CHT gages functional and in the cockpit. Which I did. And if you looked under the panel you could see 'em...side by side next to the stall warning horn.
What can I say...the Vikings panel ain't much bigger than a Decathlon's...🙂.

Chris
 
Sec. 23.1305 — Powerplant instruments.
The following are required powerplant instruments:
...
(3) A cylinder head temperature indicator for—
(i) Each air-cooled engine with cowl flaps;
 
Thanks. I will go looking for that cowl flap lever. Probably next to the park brake knob? Yesterday I tried to close the cabin vent with the park brake knob.
 
My worst was trying to adjust the manifold pressure gauge to 1800 rpm, and then being puzzled why there was no drop when I did mag check.
 
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