Logging tailwheel time

[Bob Turner]

Got a question yesterday - can a private pilot rated single engine land log Cub time when accompanied by another PP who has an endorsement?

My answer - I believe so - let me check. I did, and I found (part 65) that there is a difference between a "rating" and an "endorsement." So I again answered in the affirmative.

My question here - in your opinion, did I get it right?

 

[Sully]

61.31 Type rating requirements, additional training, and authorization requirements.
(i) Additional training required for operating tailwheel airplanes.


(1) Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received and logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airplane and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwheel airplane. The flight training must include at least the following maneuvers and procedures:

 

[Tangogawd]

As in a "safety pilot" for IFR practice? cause there can only be one PIC otherwise

 

[Bartman]

Unless things have changed since I was a CFI, a safety pilot can't log PIC time if the flight is conducted in VMC since the safety pilot isn't necessary crew for the flight.

I'd agree with Sully on the tailwheel with what he posted being what it is.

 

[Tangogawd]

Safety pilot is necessary when the other pilot is wearing a hood, or some kind of view limiting device.

91.109 states that the safety pilot is at least a private pilot with category and class appropriate.

As I see it, the main pilot remains PIC for the entirety of the flight, and because the safety pilot is not PIC for the takeoff and landings, but only for the portion in the flight that is conducted under instrument training, they do not need to have a tailwheel endorsement.

 

[Bartman]

Safety pilot is necessary when the other pilot is wearing a hood, or some kind of view limiting device.

right, but for a VFR flight the PIC doesn't need to have a hood, it's being used by choice as a training device. if there's guidance from the FAA about this I'd love to see it but that's how I understood it back when I had the certificate.

 

[Bob Turner]

You log instrument time when you are flying solely with reference to instruments. That is true day, night, hooded, or not.
You log PIC time when (14 VFR 61.51( e)(1)(I)) “When the pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated . . .”

Then, go to 61.5, where “ratings” are defined. Category - airplane. Class - single engine land.

The next question is whether “acting” as PIC is different from logging PIC time. That is because one cannot “act” as PIC in a tailwheel without an endorsement or a “grandfather.” But if you read like a lawyer, it is clear that there is no tailwheel “rating,” and if you are rated “airplane single engine land,” and your girlfriend lets you be the “sole manipulator,” into the logbook it goes.

Opinion, as originally posed.

Guys, please do not fly solely on the gauges in VFR, day or night, without a check pilot- who cares if her medical is lapsed by a month? Be safe out there.