8KCAB IFR Certification

I think that is incorrect. The POH in some cases is the same as the AFM, but the AFM has specifics for a single aircraft, says “FAA Approved” and is signed by an authorized official.
Again, check out our Type Certificate.
 
Per the FAA Pilots Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge, page 9-2:

"The POH for most light aircraft built after 1975 is also designated as the FAA-approved flight manual."
In that case it seems that most of the Bellanca series is restricted. I still don't understand why
I think it depends on your certification basis. CAR 4a aircraft can be flown IFR with proper equipment. My J3 is legal IFR.
I don’t know about CAR 3 - but Part 23 airplanes must be certificated IFR, period. That means factory, STC, or Field Approval.
As far as a POH - regardless of the date, if your type certificate requires one you gotta have one. I have never seen a requirement for a POH, so the AOPA stuff is news to me - but the airplanes I am familiar with (SuperCubs and Decathlons) all require an AFM. AFMs are “different.”
That's just it, the 7 series doesn't require it. Hence my puzzlement over what Bellanca's manual's restriction means. Also - why did Bellanca make that change in the manual? Maybe liability.
 
Mark Wittmayer got his 7GCAA certified by the factory. His description of the process is in post #18 on page 1 of this thread. So that is clearly doable.

In the same post, Ken Bowersox states that the 7GCBC can be IFR certified from the factory. The 8GCBC is also available certified. If an aircraft can be produced as IFR certified, then it can be brought up to factory standards and certified that way.

No evidence has been provided either way for the 7ECA.
This route is doable. No one bothered with the 7ECA, despite it having the range and useful load for IFR (or at least that's what I keep telling myself in order to be content with 115hp). Also - other than the heated pitot tube, I don't think the factory does anything else physically on the 7GCBC to make it IFR. I.E. there are no changes for lightning protection. So all in all it's a shame ACA doesn't work to just amend the AFM to allow IFR with whatever specified equipment.
 
If I had to make a wild ass guess, I'd say the risk doesn't justify the reward for ACA. To open the door for airplanes they didn't make to be modified in the field and flown in a higher risk environment, there's nothing in it for them so why go there? And if there were more demand from new buyers for IFR certified planes to be made, they'd probably be making them.

I'm probably wrong but from where I'm at out here in the cheap seats, that's how it looks.
 
If I had to make a wild ass guess, I'd say the risk doesn't justify the reward for ACA. To open the door for airplanes they didn't make to be modified in the field and flown in a higher risk environment, there's nothing in it for them so why go there? And if there were more demand from new buyers for IFR certified planes to be made, they'd probably be making them.

I'm probably wrong but from where I'm at out here in the cheap seats, that's how it looks.

I suspect it is simply a business decision. Would probably cost a lot of money to reopen and complete the FAA certification process for the 8KCAB as IFR. If the demand is not there to justify the up front investment, they won't do it.
 
That's where I think you are wrong. The FAA process for issuing an STC is pretty complex and involves substantial fight testing to prove the aircraft performs as required. They aren't going to just accept a list of installed equipment and assume it will work as designed. Here are the FAA steps for an STC:
  • Applicant applies for STC
  • Familiarization and preliminary type certification board (TCB) meetings
  • FAA develops certification program plan
  • Establishment of certification basis by FAA
  • Applicant submits data for approval
  • FAA design evaluation
  • FAA and applicant hold specialists and interim type certification meetings, as required
  • FAA performs conformity inspections
  • Engineering compliance determinations
  • Pre-flight TCB Meeting
  • Applicant performs ground inspections, ground tests, and flight tests
  • FAA reviews manufacturer's flight test results and issues TIA
  • FAA performs conformity inspections, witnesses tests, performs official certification flight tests and flight standards evaluations
  • Functional and reliability testing
  • FAA approves flight manual supplement or supplemental flight manual and holds final TCB meeting
  • AEG completes continuing airworthiness determination
  • FAA issues STC

I'm expecting that ground/flight testing of N26BY, our 2004 8KCAB SuperD could start next week. I met with my three (count'em: 3) DERs Sunday night to refine the Compliance Checklist appendix in the Project Specific Certification Plan. Two flights will be conducted, one day and one night. The day flight will include several aerobatic figures to verify that pulling Gs won't scramble the avionics required by Parts 91 and 23 for IFR operation. A co-owner (insurance) safety pilot (who weighs 100 pounds...so not me) will accompany the Flight Test Pilot DER for the day flight. No acro during the night flight. Ground testing required to demonstrate compliance (mostly for "functionality") will be performed before both flights.

A ground/flight test report will be written by the Avionics and Flight Test Pilot DERs; the Flight Analyst DER will review those tests that require a Flight Analyst DER for approval.

The DERs were "fully delegated" to support the STC, which means that there is minimal direct participation by the members of the Certification Branch Project Team until the final (revised) version of Project Specific Certification Plan is submitted along with specified "deliverables" (mostly the test report and AFMS) for Cert Branch Project Team approval.

The Cert Branch Project Team didn't want to conduct any of the meetings listed above: that was one of the advantages of the "full delegation" to the DERs. A TIA was not required; the DERs will verify conformance with the "FAA approved" data the Part 145 repair station (which is a Garmin Dealer) used for the installation. The data comprised Garmin STCs: AMLs, Installation Manuals, forms 337, and installation checklists and logs. This was a big deal because I didn't have to hire a DAR for the TIA and the airplane category wasn't changed to "Experimental R&D" for the flight test.

The reason I searched this thread is that I must post several placards and was hoping there was an owner of an aerobatic and IFR Citabria 7KACB with a placard that looks something like this:

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It's a little strange to me that the DER wants this placard posted for flight test before the STC that approves IFR operations has been approved, but it's a Part 23 requirement.

I asked our Good Friend Chad at ACA for a placard like it, but so far, no joy. I will also post this placard:

MAGNETIC COMPASS MAY DEVIATE AS MUCH AS 30° WHEN PITOT HEAT IS ON.

BTW: it doesn't deviate that much when pitot heat is on, only about 5°, but that's the placard wording for the Scout with a heated pitot tube.

Does anyone with that rare acro/IFR Citabria have a part number for either of these placards? I'd rather have ACA placards than ones I create.
 
I think all Citabriae can be flown IFR legally. CAR4a. Placards were not such a big deal back then.

I just double-checked. There are bunches of part 23 caveats, but no placard that indicates any restriction. The nice thing about that is you need not worry, say, for a nice 7GCAA, about having pitot heat (for legality; you sure don't want it icing over on approach), and for instrumentation you just have to meet part 91. That is, gyros, sweep second hand clock, sensitive adjustable altimeter, and an appropriate nav receiver. c.f. 14 cfr 91.205C.
 
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